UPDATE FEBRUARY, 2013 SULAIMAN ABDULAZIZ S. ALRAJHI تحديث عن سليمان عبدالعزيز الراجحي

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My son’s name is Sami bin Sulaiman bin Abdulaziz Alrajhi, whose father is Sulaiman bin Abdulaziz bin Saleh bin Abdullah Alrajhi. For over a year, I have been fighting to the ghost of Sami’s father and his bunch of lies, which have been causing a bad reputation over my son’s roots and myself.

اسم ابني سامي بن سليمان بن عبدالعزيز الراجحي واسم والده هو سليمان بن عبدالعزيز بن صالح بن عبدالله الراجحي. لأكثر من سنه وانا اتنازع من شبح والد سامي وأكاذيبه الكثيره مما ترتب عليه سمعة سْية ليس فقط لنفسي ولكن حتى لابني سامي.

First of all, I want to clarify something so important which is I AM NOT ASKING FOR MONEY, Alrajhi’s Famliy name is well known in Saudi Arabia because they are one of the richest families inside Saudi Arabia.

أولا وقبل كل شي, أرغب بأن أوضح أمرا مهم أنا لا أريد أي مبلغ مالي من عائله الراجحي. عائله الراجحي عائله معروفه جدا في المملكة العربية السعودية لانهم من أحد العائلات الغنيه.

My intention to publish all this information have never been and will never be the liar witch who just wants Alrajhi’s money, the one that Sulaiman created to protect himself to be punished for being a liar. The only thing I am asking for is to get my son’s freedom which have been taken away for his father selfish mind and behave, and whose Saudi’s agencies (AWASEER, MOFA, SACM, SAUDI EMBASSY, and SAUDI SOCIETY OF HUMAN RIGHTS) are refusing to get involved.

قصدي من نشر كل هذه المعلومات لم يكن ولن يكن بسبب أنني الساحرة الكاذبه التي ترغب بأن تسلب أموال عائلة الراجحي. سليمان هو الذي خلق هذه الأكذوبه وغيرها الكثير وهو الذي أدعي أني كاذبه لحماية نفسه. الشي الوحيد الذي أطالب فيه هو حرية طفلي سامي. سلميان بتصرفاته الأنانيه سلب من سامي حريته. كذلك الوكالات السعوية لم تساعدني في حل المشكله كالملحقة الثقافية السعودية في واشنطن والسفارة السعودية وحقوق الانسان السعودية وجمعية أواصر وغيرها.

Sulaiman went into my email behind my back and sent an e-mail to them saying that Sami’s roots where mistaken mixed with Sulaiman roots, that Sulaiman is not my son’s father, but all that is a bunch of lies because I personally called, talked and e-mail several times to Dr. Mody Alkhalaf and Gewaher Alsheyah asking for help to stop the threats from Sulaiman to take away my son. But no one answered me or tried to help me.

سليمان أخترق أيميلي من غير علمي وأرسل أيميل يوضح أن عروق سامي ليست هي عروق سلميان وأن سليمان ليس والد سامي. ولكن هذه ليست الحقيقه على الأطلاق أنها أكاذيب. لقد أتصلت هاتفيا وكذلك قمت بارسال العديد من الايميلات للدكتورة موضي الخلف والأستاذه جواهرالشيحة أطلب منهم مساعدتي خصوصا عندما كان سلميان يقوم بتهديدي بأن ياخذ سامي مني ولكن لأاحد قام بمساعدتي.

Sulaiman lied about not being Sami’s father but I was not the one who wrote the email and is not fair that everyone believes Sulaiman and he does not have any real evidence but I DO. They are playing game with my son, my reputation and our dignity as human beings. I do also try to contact Fahed Alrawaf who is the lawyer in charge of my case inside the Saudi Embassy BUT I have not received any reply for my several calls and e-mails.

سليمان كذب في الايميل عندما قال انه ليس والد سامي. أنا لم اقم بارسال هذا الايميل وليس من العدل أن يقوم الجميع بتصديق سليمان وهو لا يحمل أي دليل يثبت عدم أبوته لسامي ولكن أنا لدي أدلة تثبت ذلك. سلميان والاخرون يلعبون الخدع بأبني وسمعتي وسمعة سامي وبكرامتنا كبشر. كذلك حاولت الاتصال هاتفيا وعن طريق الايميل بالمحامي فهد الرواف وهو المحامي المسؤل عن القضية في السفارة السعودية ولكن لم يرد علي.

I am not poor women and I am so proud of my family who has been supporting me, actually my parents raised me to be successful, independent, and honorable woman, and the most important thing for them was to give me a good education.

أنا ليست أمراة فقيرة وأنا أعتز وأفتخر بعائلتي وهم من دعمني. في الحقيقه أمي وأبي أنشئوني لأصبح أمراة ناجحة مستقلة وذات شرف وكرامة وكانو يهتمون بأن يوفرو لي أفضل تعليم.

I did not throw myself at Sulaiman, I was just a girl who’s unfortunately happened to met him in Minneapolis. If I knew that Sulaiman’s family does not want their son to have a relationship with a girl I would have stopped seeing him. Or If I knew that he kept our relationship a secret I would NOT stay with him I am NOT a cheap girl. Sulaiman told me and confirmed that all of his sisters and his brother knew about our relationship, and all they want for him is to be happy. But he never introduced me to them and I was always asking why. When we went to malls to buy things for his sisters he always said that Huda called him to ask for many things, and I was the one who picked their dresses or outfits for them and their children. I was always happy finding great looking shirts and clothes for them, and I was the one who chose everything, especially for Ramadan 2011 when he went to spend Eid in there with his family.

أنا لم أرمي نفسي على سلميان أنا كنت الفتاة التي لسوء حظي قابلته في مينيابولس. لو كنت أعلم أن عائله سليمان لا تسمح لسليمان بأن يقيم علاقه من فتاة لأنهيت علاقتنا. ولو أني كنت أعلم أن سليمان أبقي علاقتنا سرا لما استمريت في علاقتي معه. أنني ليست فتاه حقيره أبحث عن العلاقات. في الحقيقه سلميان أخبرني وأكد لي أن كل أخواته وحتى أخيه يعلمون بعلاقتي معه وأنهم لا يريدون شيء غير سعاده سليمان. ولكن سليمان لم يقدمني لهم وكنت دايما اتسأل لماذا؟؟ عندما كنت أنا وسليمان نذهب الى الأسواق لشراء أحتياجات أخواته كان سليمان دايما يقول أن أخته هدى تتصل به لطلب أشياء كثيره ودائما كنت أنا من يختار ملابسهم وملابس أطفالهم. كنت في غاية السعادة لاختيار أجمل الملابس لهم وأنا كنت من يختار كل شي وخصوصا لرمضان 2011 عندما ذهب سليمان لقضاء العيد مع عائلته.

I was never suspicious because he brought all his attention to me and was “living for me” or that was he made me believed. He always said that his mom Sarah was trying to search for a wife for him but he refused all of them because he told his mom that he doesn’t want to marry a Saudi girl because he had found the love of his life in Minneapolis, who was supposedly “me”. When he was in KSA he never acted weird, we spent hours on Skype and he changed his schedule to see me on Skype every single night and slept together over Skype as we did in our home, or we watched a movie together through the internet. When he went for camping he always called me, and I always spoke with his friends and his nephew Meshal while he was in Saudi or when we were together at home. Also I spoke with many of his friends in other states in USA by Skype, and one of his friends in China. Basically he introduced me to all of his friends and told them that he would make me his wife no matter what his family said. The most who knows me and knew about everything was one of the Al-Rajhi’s family, I do not want to say his name, because he was living with us and supposedly he didn’t know about Sulaiman’s plans to leave me.

لم أكن أبد مرتابه أو في شك لأن سليمان أعطني كل أهتمامه وكان يعيش من أجلي ولكن هذا ما كان سليمان يريدني ان أومن به. كان سليمان دائما يخبرني بأن أمه ساره تبحث له عن زوجه ولكنه كان يرفض جميع الفتيات لانه قال لأمه أنه لا يرغب بالزواج من فتاة سعوديه لأنه وجد الحب الحقيقي في مينيابولس وكما يدعي ان هذا الحب هو أنا. عندما كان سليمان في السعودية لم يكن يتصرف بشكل غريب او مريب. لقد كنت أقضي ساعات طويله معه في سكايبي حتى أنه غير جدوله اليومي كي يلتقي بي كل ليلة في سكايبي وكنا نذهب الى النوم معا في سكايبي مثلما كنت أنا وسليمان نذهب الى النوم معا في منزلنا. وكنا ايضا نشاهد بعض الافلام عن طريق الانترنت. عندما ذهب سليمان للتخييم كان دائما يتصل بي. كذلك كنت دائما أتحدث مع أصدقاء سليمان ومع أبن أخيه مشعل عندما كان سليمان في السعوديه وحتى عندما كان معي في منزلنا. وايضا كنت اتحدث مع الكثير من أصدقائه الذين يعيشون في ولايات اخرى عن طريق سكايبي وتحدثت مع صديقه الذي يعيش في الصين. سليمان قدمني وعرفني بجميع أصدقائه وكان يقول لهم أنني زوجة المستقبل بغض النظر عن رأي عائلته. من أكثر الأشخاص الذين عرفوني وعلى علم كامل بقصتي مع سليمان هو شاب من عائله الراجحي ومن أقرباء سليمان أنني لا أرغب بنشر أسمه ولكن هذا الشاب كان يعيش معنا في نفس المنزل وأدعي أنه لم يكن يعلم بخطط سليمان ولا يعلم أن سليمان كان يخطط على تركي.

Another thing many of his little nephews and nieces saw me on Skype while we were talking and said hi to me many times, and maybe he did this to let me think that all was good and he knew that they won’t mention anything about me to his parents. I remember once I was talking to him on Skype and both of his parents came over inside his room to told him that some of his dad’s friend died, and supposedly he said that his dad saw me and said that I was so beautiful and he should marry me, but he never allowed me to talk to him, or even talk when he was talking with his dad through Skype from Huda’s account.

شيء اخر الكثير من بنات وأبناء أخوات سليمان وأخيه الصغار شاهدوني عن طريق سكايبي عندما كنت اتحدث مع سليمان وقالو لي (مرحبا) لمرات عديده. والان أنا اعتقد أن سليمان تصرف هذا التصرف لأطمئن وأعلم أن كل شي على ما يرام وكان يعلم أن الاطفال لن يخبرو والديه عني. أنني أتذكر في أحد المرات عندما كنت اتحدث معه عن طريق سكايبي قام والديه بالدخول الى غرفه سليمان لاخباره بان أحد أصدقاء والده قد توفي ولقد أخبرني سليمان بان والده رأني وقال أني جميله وأنه يجب على سليمان أن يتزوجني. ولكن سليمان لم يسمح لي أن أتحدث مع والده ولم يسمح بأن أتكلم عندما كان هو يتحدث مع والده وانا معه عن طريق سكايبي وكان سليمان يستخدم حساب أخته هدى.

I loved him as the fake person he showed me during all our relationship. One week before he left for good, we were sitting on the floor with the person who lived with us (Alrajhi) talking about getting married, he said he wants to get married, and Sulaiman said I do not have to find any other girl because next to me is sitting the one who will be my unique wife and the mother of my children. He promised me always that he will be there for me no matter what the circumstances were, and he promised me that he will be always there for our son and Sami will know who his father is, and have a relationship with him; he promised me to provide Sami with the best schools and to give him the best life as much as he could, but all that was bunch of lies because even him being in US he did not visit Sami even once, nor buy him anything. Until now Sami just know his father from a frame that I put next to his crib to meet his dad, but he had never seen him even on Skype.

أنني أحببت شخصيه سليمان المزيفه التي كان يتظاهر بها خلال علاقتنا. قبل رحيل سليمان عني بأسبوع, كنا نجلس معنا على الارض مع قريبه الشاب الراجحي الذي كان يعيش معنا وكنا نتحدث عن الزواج وعبر هذا الشاب عن رغبته بالزواج وقال سليمان أنه لا يحتاج للبحث عن زوجه لان الفتاه التي تجلس بجانبه هي زوجته المستقبليه وسوف تصبح هي أم أبناءه. سليمان كان يعدني دائما بأنه سوف يكون معي مهما كانت الظروف كما وعدني أنه سوف يكون موجودا من أجل أبننا سامي وأن سامي سوف يعلم من هو والده وأن سليمان هو من سيقوم بتربيه معي. سليمان وعدني بتوفير افضل تعليم لسامي وتوفير افضل حياة له. ولكن للاسف كان كل هذا أكاذيب. سامي الى الان لا يعرف والده. يعرفه من خلال صوره وضعتها بجانب سريره حتى أنه لم يرى والده عن طريق سكايبي.

I have lots and lots of memories but I want to talk about myself now, my name is Maria Andrea Chang but most people called me by my nickname “Mandre,” actually most of the people know me by my nickname. I’m studying an Educational psychologist bachelor degree with a specialization in children with disabilities studied on the University of Minnesota Twin Cities campus, which was the place I first met Sulaiman and where my love and nightmare began. By now I have been working hard to provide all Sami’s needs with the help of my father. I wish my mom is here with me in this difficult time because any women would turn to her mom in these horrible situations but she passed away three years ago.

لدي الكثير والكثير من الذكريات ولكن أريد أن أتحدث عن نفسي الان. أسمي هو ماريا أندرا شن ولكن أغلب الناس يعرفونني وينادني من خلال اسمي المستعار ماندرا. أنني أدرس في مرحله البكالويس في تخصص علم النفس التربيوي وتخصصي الدقيق هو التعليم الخاص في جامعه مينيسيوتا وهو المكان الذي قابلت فيه سليمان ونفس المكان الذي بدأت فيه قصه حبي وبدايه كوبيسي. ولكن الان انا اعمل بجد لكي أوفر احتياجات سامي ووالدي يقوم بمساعدتي. أتمني لو كانت والدتي بجانبي في هذا الوقت الصعب لان أي أمراه تحتاج لمساندة أمها في هذه الاوقات الصعبه ولكن أمي توفيت قبل ثلاث سنوات.

I said many times before and I will say it again and again I am willing to get my son tested for a DNA test and I will pay for Sulaiman to get a DNA test to prove that Sami is Sulaiman’s son, so they can see that I am not a liar who just want to hurt them and because I want to clean my reputation and the honor of my son. That’s why I am asking YOU if YOU know any information about Sulaiman and his family PLEASE pass out this information to them or provide me a way to contact them inshallah to solve this issue in the best way for both parties I will really appreciate it. Since Alrajhi family is a big family in Saudi Arabia and I realized that many people have the same name as Sulaiman’s and even some of them have the same full name, I thought I should write his siblings’ names to avoid any confusion:

لقد قلت لأكثر من مرة وسوف أقولها مرة أخرى أنني على أتم الاستعداد لفحص سامي من خلال أختبار الحمض النووي وأنني على أتم الاستعداد لدفع تكاليف أختبار الحمض النووي لسليمان لكي أتبث أن سامي أبن سليمان لكي يتأكد الجميع أني لست كاذبه ولم يكن مقصدي أيذاء أحد وأيضا لكي أطهر أسمي وأسم أبني وشرفنا. لهذه الأسباب أرجو من كل من يعرف أي معلومات عن سليمان وعائلته أن يعلمهم بقصتي وأن يتواصل معي ويوفر لي أي طريقه للتواصل معهم لكي أنشاء الله تحل هذة القضيه. أنني أقدر لكم مساعدتكم لي. أعلم أن عائله الراجحي عائله كبيره في السعوديه وأن بعضا من أفرادها يحملون نفس أسم سليمان وبعضهم يحمل أسمه كاملا. لذلك قررت أن اكتب أسماء أفراد عائلة سليمان حتى أتجنب أي لبس.

· This is his father’s name and he has three wives أسم الأب: عبدالعزيز صالح عبدالله الراجحي ولديه ثلاث زوجات

· This is his mother’s name and she is the second wife أسم الأم: ساره سليمان اليحيى وهي الزوجه الثانيه

· This is his brother Bader’s name and his wife is from Alrajhi familyبدر عبدالعزيز صالح الراجحي متزوج من الراجحي

· This is his older sister Samar سمر عبدالعزيز صالح الراجحي متزوجه من الشنيبر

· This is his second sister Amjaad أمجاد عبدالعزيز صالح الراجحي متزوجه من الراجحي

· This is Huda and she is not married هدى عبدالعزيز صالح الراجحي لم تتزوج

· This is Maha مها عبدالعزيز صالح الراجحي متزوجه من القرعاوي

Please understand that I am not trying to hurt anyone, it has been a long time now and Sulaiman’s family must listen to the other side of the story. They heard and believed their son who is refusing to do the DNA test. If I was really nobody in his life I will not know any of this information but I am 100% sure of who is my son’s father sore as Sulaiman even if he had tried to denied all in front of people without considering the consequence of how much damage he caused to the people who he claimed he love the most. Once again, I am NOT doing this for MONEY, I am doing all this to get Sami’s rights to have an honorable, integrity, and a happy life, and to clean my name whose was stained respectfully and unfairly.

أرجو أن تفهمو أني لا أحاول أئذاء أحد ولكن مر وقتا طويل وعائله سليمان يحتاجون لسماع الجهه الاخرى وهي أنا. لقد أستمعو وأنصتو وصدقو أبنهم سليمان وهو يرفض أختبار الحمض النووي. لو أنني لم أكن شيء في حياته لما عرفت كل هذة المعلومات عنه. أنني متأكده 100% من هو والد سامي حتى ولو حاول سليمان أنكار كل شي. سليمان أنكر سامي ولم يفكر بما سببه من ألم للأشخاص الذين أدعى أنه يحبهم من أعماق قلبه. وللمرة الاخرى أنا لم أفعل كل هذا من اجل المال أنني أفعله لكي أحصل على حقوق سامي وشرفه ولكي أطهر أسمه ويعيش حياة سعيده وايضا لكي أطهر أسمي الذي تلون بلظلم.

Thanks to all of you for reading, supporting and criticizing me. By time passes by Allah is making me strong and is showing me the way to get Sami’s freedom back. Allah blesses you all and forbids any evil act toward any of you, myself, and my son.

أشكركم على القراءه والدعم والنقد. أتمني من الله أن يجعلني قويه وان يدلني علي الطريق لكي أستعيد حريه أبني. بارك الله فيكم وأدعو الله أن يبعد الشر عنكم وعني وعن أبني.

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  1. Alomari

    I heard that Dr. Modhy Alkahalaf will be in the cities next week. go and talk to her about that face2face

    • Dear Alomari,

      I have no problem to go and talk to her directly, there is nothing i wish more than be able to face the Saudi Embassy and SACM to ask all the question left when they were ignoring me, but unfortunately am not in USA, and am not able to travel back since I asked Sami’s dad to sign the permission to travel back to our house and he refused by saying that “I lost my freedom when I allowed him to sign Sami’s papers,” So since we share the custody am not able to do ANYTHING without his concern. which is sad because he doesn’t even care about Sami welfare. That’s why i got to the point of publishing this post and wait to have good news to get my son’s custudy back and bury Sulaiman’s ghost forever. However, If he will ever want to see Sami or if Sami wants to search for his dad I won’t be an obstacle, that would be between them, but by now is URGENT to get Sami’s custody.

  2. dazler from ksa

    يجماعة ترجموا لها بالانجليزي ان ولد الزنا في الاسلام ينسب لامة فقط وماينسب لابوه راجعوا اقوال العلماء في هذا يعني يعني فهموها ان الزنا لا يورث النسب من قبل الرجل الحريم الي يغلطوا هم الي يتحملون غلطتهم وولدهم! مو الرجال والرجال الزاني في الشريعة لايطلب منه اي مسؤلية تجاة الولد الي تخلق من نطفتة ولا حتى رعاية لانه اب غير معترف فيه اصلا انه اب عشان يكون له ابن حتى لو التحاليل قالت انه ولده برضه لايعترف فيه لان النطفة عقدة من حرام والحرام لايورث شرعية ! اما كلام الافلام والمسلسلات المصرية اعترف في الواد ومن لحمي ودمي هذا لاتقرة الشريعة الولد فقط ياخذ النسب ان كان من نكاح اما من سفاح فياخذ نسب امة فقط وراجعوا اقوال هيئة كبار العلماء ماني قاعد افتي من راسي انا فهموا هذه الزانية الفاجرة هذا الكلام

    • MM

      يا أخي الكريم .. اذا بتتكلم بالدين يا انك تقول كل الحقائق او اسكت .. طيب هل سليمان اقيم عليه الحد ؟؟ ثانيا أتق الله كانك تقول ياااااا شبااااااب روحو أزنو ووسعو صدوركم واذا حملت لا تشيل هم .. انت بالاسلام ما يلحقك شي .. والله بصراحه ناس ما ادري كيف تفكر

    • Faisal

      مع احترامي لك، هذا ظلم واااااضح، يعني الرجال يفعل فعلته القذره وألي تتحمل المسؤولية هذه الفاجرة كما سميتها والرجل المؤمن التقي لا يتحمل أي مسؤولية!!! أين عدل الإسلام هنا !!

    • ww

      الحين هي الي غلطت ؟ وهو ماغلط وشو الي تحملو غلطتهم بلا خرابيط

      الغلط علييييه هو والله اذا هو مسلم ويعرف الاسلام قول هي عايشه في بيئه عادي عندهم هذا الشي لكن شرهتك على ولد الاسلام الي تقول ماتنسب اليه واصلا لا ينسب اليه مب فخر ابددددا بس يعطي الولد حقوققققققققققققققه

    • wejdan

      هذا الكلام الي تقوله كان موجود في *الجاهليه* اذا كانت المرأه من الرق مو في الاسلام وبعدين اي رجل ينفي ولده توعد الله له اشد العقاب والدليل في حديث عمرو بن شعيب عن أبيه عن جده وحديثه حسن قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : (( كفر من تبرأ أو كفر بالله من تبرأ من نسب أورق أو ادعى نسبا لا يعرف))

    • وعد الراجحي

      والله محد زاني و فاجر الا انت

  3. KK

    قرن الله جل وعلا
    الوعيد على الزاني بالوعيد على الشرك وقتل النفس، فقال سبحانه في صفات عباد الرحمن:
    وَالَّذِينَ لا يَدْعُونَ مَعَ اللَّهِ إِلَهاً آخَرَ وَلا يَقْتُلُونَ النَّفْسَ الَّتِي حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ إِلَّا بِالْحَقِّ وَلا يَزْنُونَ وَمَنْ يَفْعَلْ ذَلِكَ يَلْقَ أَثَاماً *
    يُضَاعَفْ لَهُ الْعَذَابُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَيَخْلُدْ فِيهِ مُهَاناً. {الفرقان:68**. وقال سبحانه: وَلا تَقْرَبُوا الزِّنَى إِنَّهُ كَانَ فَاحِشَةً
    وَسَاءَ سَبِيلاً {الإسراء:32**.
    وعقوبة الزاني في الدنيا إذا ثبت زناه عند الحاكم المسلم أن يقام عليه الحد، وهو جلد مائة للزاني البكر وتغريبه من بلده عاماً. قال الله تعالى: الزَّانِيَةُ وَالزَّانِي فَاجْلِدُوا كُلَّ وَاحِدٍ مِنْهُمَا مِئَةَ جَلْدَةٍ وَلَا تَأْخُذْكُمْ بِهِمَا رَأْفَةٌ فِي دِينِ اللهِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللهِ وَاليَوْمِ الآَخِرِ وَلْيَشْهَدْ عَذَابَهُمَا طَائِفَةٌ مِنَ المُؤْمِنِينَ {النور:2** وقال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم: ” البكر بالبكر جلد مائة وتغريب عام، وعلى الثيب الرجم.” رواه مسلم وأبو داود والترمذي وابن ماجه، وهذا لفظ ابن ماجه.
    وقد رأى النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم في ليلة الإسراء والمعراج -فيما رواه البخاري وغيره- رأى رجالاً ونساء عراة على بناء شبه التنور، أسفله واسع، وأعلاه ضيق، يوقد عليهم بنار من تحته، فإذا أوقدت النار ارتفعوا وصاحوا، فإذا خبت عادوا. فلما سأل عنهم؟ أخبر أنهم هم الزناة والزواني. وهذا عذابهم في البرزخ حتى تقوم الساعة – نسال الله العافية، فهل يمكن للعاقل أن يستهين بذنب هذه عقوبته في الدنيا والآخرة.
    وقد أجمع أهل الملل على تحريمه، فلم يحل في ملة قط، ولذا كان حده أشد الحدود، لأنه جناية على الأعراض والأنساب فتب إلى الله واندم على ما فعلت فان الله يحب التوابين ويحب المتطهرين- قال عز وجل بعد ذكر عقوبة الزاني: إِلَّا مَنْ تَابَ وَآمَنَ وَعَمِلَ عَمَلاً صَالِحاً فَأُولَئِكَ يُبَدِّلُ اللَّهُ سَيِّئَاتِهِمْ حَسَنَاتٍ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَفُوراً رَحِيماً – و راجع الفتوى رقم: 1106.

  4. Rick Albur

    Things you readers needs to bear in mind about AMERICAN CHILDREN:
    1 in 2 will live in a single parent family at some point in childhood
    1 in 3 is born to unmarried parents
    1 in 4 lives with only one parent
    1 in 8 is born to a teenage mother
    1 in 25 lives with neither parent

    Source: (The State of America’s Children, 1998 Yearbook, Children’s Defense Fund)

    Now, talking about saudis as they are the only criminal or bad guys is something refused. It’s whole society problem. Go rise up this problem at nation level or get condoms before you cry!!

    • John

      Rick Albur,

      OMG.. you must be blind to write this comment. Mandre did not scream for help JUST because she could not get over this man or because she cannot raise Sami by herself. She wants her son’s freedom. It is so funny when you want to defend Sulaiman but you cannot find an excuse for him and you decide to change the real problem which makes you so ignorant..

      You know what, I laughed when read your comment, I really cannot believe that there are still some people so ignorant like that..

    • Mr 20 years ago I love how up to date you are on your 20 year old statistics from a charity origination who love to plump up numbers to get money for the origination. Where are the years from 1998 to now? Did you do a quick search and found the statistics that were the highest to suit your claim on AMERICAN CHILDREN ? .How about SAUDI CHILDREN anything on that? O wait with every saudi who has a child out of wedlock can lie about it and none of these men will ever be accounted for you can keep pretending you are better than us. No one bys your bs.

  5. Rick Albur,

    Now that you are talking about statistic can you quote “HALF SAUDI HALF AMERICAN/OTHER NATIONALITIES” statistics??? I think they are important as well.

    Am not talking about Saudis as criminals, sore as the other girls in this blog. We know that there are good and bad people EVERY WHERE. However, he REAL problem is that these “men” ran away to hidden in KSA without even care about their children. On my case the problem is that my son’s FREEDOM HAS BEEN TAKEN by hs father, and it’s not fair for Sulaiman to screw my son’s life just because he is not enough man to take responsibilities for his actions. Do you think is right to sign the acknowledgment of paternity and appears on the birth certificate, which means sharing custody, rights, and responsibilities and NOT fill anything???

    What am asking for is to be able to live and to give my son a good life even if his dad doesn’t want to be around. Am asking for the FULL custody of my son, which i think is mine and my son’s right, don`t you think??? So far am not able to go back to my house in US because Sulaiman thinks that I lost our freedom when he signed Sami’s papers. Am also not able to register him in my own country because his father’s name appears on the birth certificate and the father MUST be here to sign the papers to register him… Just yesterday I cried of frustration (NOT because am crying for SUlaiman) because for 7th time i couldn’t register him to stop paying the fee that i have to pay per day that he is here…. So now tell me, what you would do if you were me? laughing and applaud this man actions??? Are you going to be proud of this man for what he is doing to his OWN blood?? Are you going to be so calm and live as if nothing is happening while your son’s father is messing up his life?

    Before you judge me, PLEASE understand the situation, and why am asking for a solution.

  6. almaktaby

    I really don’t understand first you looking for these men then you want freedom?
    What else? Your baby is sick and about to die dad come help?
    as you can see he doesn’t want you or your kid?
    live your life when you had chance.
    men like this are no good as you see
    but you women hold on so tight and trying so hard to find them and when that happen another problem come up (you making it up) if you didn’t get help from the people who responsible of this cases
    i don’t think reader will do much
    i see you women could not keep your men even when you try to have kids from them and you can not get over the fact you made a mistake
    i can see that they are not in love with you and you trying to have revenge by posting these story ( to help other women ??)
    this is your personal life but you have no respect for it
    so people will not respect you or your story.
    from what i see you are in love with him and he does not want you or your mistake son. you should talk to him about leaving him if he give you full custody but you don’t want that you want revenge is that why a lot of SUlaiman photos up there……………..

    again you are looking for revenge and that will not help you or your kid if you care about your kid.

    now everyone read this story will know that your son is a whoreson and his mom is an adulteress
    but i think you don’t care about your son’s life in the future you care about revenge for yourself and the tears you cried for SUlaiman.
    Look at your son and remember when he is grown man he will see mom sold her body to someone she can’t get over and the victim is your son’s reputation as bastard sorry for the term but is that what they call them in the US?

    • People like you really make me laugh. You are so ignorant and it seems you are not understanding the point of my speech… If my son was really a mistake, or all the things you called him why does he recognized him as his own?? Am 100% sure if my son was all the things you called him Sulaiman won’t sign any document by himself. If you are not understanding the facts then keep your mouth shut because there is nothing worse than an ignorant person like you are. Who told you that I sold myself to this man?? did I mentioned that in either post?? NOOOO that’s just a fact on your little mind… and am not looking for revenge, I seek the freedom of my son. Am not also crying or in love of this “man.” But most of us I don’t know why am wasting my time replying stupid statements like yours!!! You can write, write, and keep writing forever that Allah knows what are my real intentions, and am not worry about meaningless comments from absurd people.

    • Amazonbaby

      Obviously, almaktaby, you can’t read English or you are just stupid.

    • smith

      almaktaby,
      all she wants is FULL custody of her son. what Sulaiman did reflect his thinking, fatuousness, morals, and his family nurturing. also, no one knows if he even was sleeping with someone else???
      some Saudi guys when they go out of their country, they are just like dogs they cannot get enough of S***

    • You should take the time to read her story before you comment. Also stop posting under a different name every time you comment it only makes you look sneaky and you look like the one who wants revenge on Mandre. Do you Suliman or are you him? Makes me wonder!!

      • Probably is him or his sister Huda!! Am wondering as well… I do also have a stalker on my twitter account being so nasty!!!

    • @almaktaby
      First off all of the women here already have our freedom we showed that by having our children despite the mans wishes that we abort our children.
      Suliman denies his son because he is a coward. Mandre is not looking for revenge I think that is evident by the way she has conducted herself throughout this process..

      As to your comment “now everyone read this story will know that your son is a whore son and his mom is an adulteress”
      Are you serious? You constantly post under fake names trashing MY FRIEND I am begining to think you are Suliman or someone in his family trying to discredit this strong wonderful MOM!! So I ask you what about the man who lied to her promicing marrage and a long life together? What about this muslim man who lied to Mandre over and over and over again. Would you almaktaby want this man to marry your daughter? If so please do us all a favour and marry your child to this man so that maybe you can get a glimpse of this wonderful man.

      No one knows Suliman the way Mandre does and for some reason ( she is to good hearted) she still tries to have this deadbeat be a part of their sons life. for the well being of her son.

      Throughout this year Mandre has been a great support to other women in this predicament . So yes she is doing this for her son and women like myself to have a voice. Nothing you can ever say or write will change what she has done for many many women.
      You may see her as an adulterous but the rest of the world knows her for being lied to by a saudi man! I think that is what bothers you almaktaby. You are angry that the western world is on to your trickery and see you for who you are. Your comment just proves to everyone that Saudi men lie to women and when she calls him out on it he will trash her name trying to get the spotlight off his sins. Now everyone will know what non Saudi women are up against when falling in love with a Saudi man. Lies and betrayal are just the beginning.

      That being said we have gained strength as a large group of women/children of these men and we are growing daily. As long as there are loser deadbeat saudi daddys studying abroad we will be here to support those effected and help clean up the mess these so called men leave in their wake.
      So please keep calling her and myself whores and adulterous it will only make her/us stronger and show her beautiful son that she has been right about Suliman. Sami is better for having Mandre as his mommy and knowing his father was just one of many saudi men that travelled abroad to study leaving behind children and women to pick up the pieces. Sami will know his mommy helped start a movement that showed the world what such looser men from KSA do to women all over the world. Sami and Mandre will always have us as family while Suliman sneaks around in the night trolling the website trashing his MOM! Sami will be a man some day and Suliman will be old and defenceless when Sami shows up to defend his mother and what can Suliman do then but ask for forgiveness from the child forgotten but to receive his eldest sons disdain.

      All those effected by the devastation of these men read the comment from almaktaby \Suliman/Bahi/Sultan and understand that this is how family members of these men see us and our children they will do and say anything to discredit you to get the spotlight off of them. These men will never ever ever be any type of father or roll model for our children. We are their roll model mother/father/friend/maid/ and counsellor.
      We have all taken a stand on behalf of our children and no matter what imbeciles like almaktaby say our children will be so very proud that their Mommys helped bring this travesty to the light of day. Before this website the men from saudi have had car-blanch to destroy lives and remain uninfected when they return home. The buck stops here and now the whole world knows what men from saudi WILL do to the native women. Thank goodness for technological advances that allow us to connect with the world. It will be harder for these men to continue their bullshit without the world knowing that they are looser liar deadbeat dads who only fake religion and empathy. We win You loose. We get to raise our children to be a better person that their fathers. What do you have in your life like that almaktaby?

      Mandre my dear friend you are so strong, you are always there for all of us and I will never forget everything you have done for me and Joey. I am proud to call you my sister and close friend. We have gone through hell and back again because of the men we fell in love with. Our boys will be brothers, they will always have someone who understands their pain. Our children’s fathers
      have no one to confide their secrets to while we put ours out into the world for all to see, we have found comfort in our friendship. We will always have each other and these so called fathers have no one. They will never know the amazing feeling you get when your child says I love you. For that these men deserve our sympathy, they can never know love and that has to be very difficult going on every day knowing that they are heartless, fake liars. Praying every day in the mosque must be torture knowing they are hypocrites who will never get into heaven because they deny their childs existence knowing all to well that God knows the truth. Personally I am glad Sultan is not in Joeys life his presence would ruin Joey who is only 4 and already a better male than his father. The thing I do worry about is my son finding out his father was just another in a long long line ( spanning 30+ years) of Saudi men who are notorious in such distasteful behaviour.

    • You make me sick you must be a Saudi woman who is always defending a Saudi man who did something wrong. Maybe you are related to the boys father. In any case it takes two too tango. I’m so sick of this mentality if it happens outside of Saudi it stays outside of Saudi. The men come outside and Islam gets thrown out the window. These men are the biggest lying HYPOCRITES in history. Sin is a sin in God’s eyes no matter who commits it. You want to marry a virgin but yet you go to other countries and have sex like rabbits. To bad, there are consequences that come from sex. To all of you women who fall for the BS about them telling their families about you, know this, its a lie. If anyone finds out they are having sex outside they risk losing their funding for college and having to return home. Believe me I know, they will use all the right words and you will fall hard. They will say anything they think you want to hear. Its an expert craft that’s been around for ages. There is no accountability for their actions and there never will be. I don’t feel bad for the parents I feel bad for the child. Sex without marriage first is a sin in all religions. Shame on this man’s father and mother for letting their son get away with this. Allah knows everything and your judgement day is coming. Keep your nasty sin committing son locked in your house so he can’t produce anymore children.

  7. Saleh

    I Can only show you my sympathy and wish you the best!!

  8. rotana

    You just need the father that if he is even. It has nothing to do with his fathers wives or name or any of his family. Move on look how long you going to chase after him why

    • Why? Seriously? Let me help you on that. When a man and a woman fall in love and make a baby the child has a mother and father to love and raise them teaching them all about the wonders of life, child grows up feeling loved and wanted. Life is good.

      Now you have Mandre and Sulaiman fall in love and make a beautiful child together. Sulaiman runs away from his responsibilities as a father his own misguided pride made him do the unthinkable to his very own son. Sulaiman decides to show his son he is a coward and run away. Sulaiman by his actions will make Sami feel like his father did not want and that pain is forever. Mandre is the one who will teach Sami the wonders of life. She will always give him double love to try to help make up for his father never teaching him how to play scoccer drive a car firat day of school she will do everything for her son she is a wonderful mother.

      So I ask you rotana who do you think you are? Who are you to ask why a mother wants the best for her son. Have you even read her story or you just being a donkey? Do you know Suliaman and just commenting crap? Read her story before commenting back because you look dumb when you talk crap that was answered. Suliman is Sami’s father HE SIGNED LEGAL PAPERS to that.

      Now ask yourself how would you feel if a lying coward like Suliman did this to someone you love would you treat her like you are Mandre? Or do you treat her like that because she is not saudi? Racist much? People like you and his lying father are why all of us women are glad our children wont grow up with such low morals and cowardly behaviour like their fathers.

    • Mandre

      Salam Rotana,

      Bismillah Alrahman Alrahim….

      First of all, i want you to read my story and understand why am i trying to reach this “man” but i can guarantee you that chasing him as a “man” is not the main goal because as Saudi Children Left behind said he is just a coward who has done NOTHING for his son more than mess up his OWN, FIRST, and ONLY child’s life. The main goal of this is to get my son’s FREEDOM Back who has been taken by his father, because is what Sulaiman is for Sami, his Biological and Legal father, like it or not he is and he knows that very well, even if he has been so stubborn and coward to be denying the truth. However, Allah knows the truth, knows how much damage Sulaiman has cause to our life and that he gets us stock in our life without being able to move on with our life. Believe me, there is nothing i want the most than to be able to raise my son in a proper way and environment, teaching him how to success without feeling unworthy just because his father was a real jerk and coward to stand up for him, but unfortunately Sulaiman has chose the hardest way to get my son’s freedom back. As I said before, I gave him lots of opportunities to sign Sami’s custody by his own, but he refused saying “i lost my freedom when he signed Sami’s LEGAL documents” so let me ask you what you would do if you were me? you will be like this coward man leaving your child without caring about his life, if he has food, good education, etc??? or you will fight until the end to get’s you son’s freedom back?? … You are criticizing me and I don’t blame you for that, but why don’t you criticize him on his bad behavior?? why you are exonerating him on his behalf if is obvious that is wrong what he had done in any moral perspective?? Is he right to left his OWN blood just like that and deprive him to has a decent life???

      I might not be perfect, but am not the monster many people think I am. Am just the mother of Sami trying to get what is Sami’s right, his FREEDOM!!! Before you judge me take the time to read the whole story, analyze and make a good judgment base in facts on the situation. No one can judge something that has not lived and I hope that you or someone close to you does not have to go through something similar to what I went through or the damage that my son will have to go through for the abandonment of his father.

  9. j

    to all: mandre is what you call stuck. she cannot move freely about from country to country. the grandfather of sami signed legal documents for custody for his grand baby. therefore, she is at the mercy of this family until they void the documents. but they will not because that is their baby, too. so, she sits suffering to keep going on with her life so she can support her and sulaimans baby boy. how can she finish school and provide the best when she is bound to the rules of traveling. also, sounds like she is paying a price for her son being in her home country as a saudi or usa. this is mean on the fathers part. you are reading this i know. make a man out of yourself and do the right thing and stop hurting people. mandre is beautiful and very nice im sure. and you know. your family would love her and sami just quit the games. im soo surprised at the immaturity of this family. this is a sign of greed, that i see only in certain saudi families, mostly with money..go figure.

    • Mandre

      Dear J,

      It seems you know perfectly Sulaiman sore his family… Sami’s grandfather didn’t sign any legal document over my son’s custody, that’s why am paying a daily fee to have Sami as illegal in my own country, this is because Sami’s father/Sulaiman did signed Sami’s acknowledgement of paternity while he was in US, which means that we share custody, responsibilities and rights. The Vice-president of the Masjid in Guatemala called Sulaiman’s father (Mr Abdulaziz) and he said that he was willing to get Sami’s papers to see if Sami really belongs to his son (Sulaiman) but suddenly one day he changed his mind and refused to have contact with the person who called him. So that’s the reason why we are stuck in my country without the freedom to go back to US or any other country without Sulaiman’s permission, which he refused to sign.

      Thanks a lot for what do you think about me, wallah i do appreciate it and as you said i don’t consider myself as a bad person or evil person as many people think i am.

      For over a year i have been dealing with a mixture of feelings and thoughts. I was always wondering why Sulaiman changed that much if he seemed and showed to loved me more than he even love himself, wallah he was living for me or that was what he wanted to showed me. But suddenly one day he decided to go back to KSA to spend Eid with his family, and he sword me that he would be back when i told him that i felt that that night would be the last day i saw him, and my six sense wasn’t wrong, after that day i NEVER see him again just in some pics that he sent through his phone when he was still in Melbourne and Rhode Island, but everything changed one day to another in a 16 hours flight to KSA. Wallah, i couldn’t believe what he was doing to me and even if i asked thousand times for a reason he never gave me one, he just said that he couldn’t handle our relationship any longer even if he loved me and missed me a lot, and then he began to created stories of myself being with one of his friend on the same bed, which was totally lie because wallah i love him more than everything in my entire life before Sami’s birth. Even few days before he left he told me and Yousef that he will tell his dad about myself and Sami but that never happened.

      Wallah to read all this made my heart broken, because I was always searching for a reason of Sulaiman behavior after he went to KSA, and I ended to think that he never loved me and i was just a game in his life. I remember one night my phone rang and was him telling me many many unexpected words and he sent to me a link of a Song of Bruno Mars called “Runaway” which says “Just take my hand, fall in love with me again. Let’s runaway to the place where love first found us…(http://www.metrolyrics.com/runaway-lyrics-bruno-mars.html)” and i was really shocked and crying as crazy because i couldn’t understand why he was playing with my heart and my love that way… Right now i don’t know if all you are saying is true but it make sense to me, because he wasn’t bad or maybe i didn’t see any evil on him while we were together. And am crying right now because i cannot believe how evil these girls could be if they could be happy because his son/brother was happy. They don’t even gave me the benefit of doubt, a change to get to know me, and to discover which kind of woman i am. I might not be perfect but am not an evil and i was dedicated to make this man (Sulaiman) happy, and was loving him more than my own life. On the other hand, i cannot believe how Sulaiman didn’t fight for his love and his son, why he just gave up that easy on us, and why he is not allowing us to move on in our life if he chose not to be part of our life… I do believe that if you really love someone you will do EVERYTHING to be with the person, no matter money or circumstances, because that was what i did for Sulaiman, i left my whole life to be with him, i moved with him to Melbourne when my life was in Minnesota and Guatemala, but he didn’t appreciate my love.

      The only thing I can add is that I will pray for Sulaiman’s family and Sulaiman’s forgiveness… I hope they repent someday and not in the Day of Judgement. My son will grow and he will ask about his father family and i don’t want him to see how evil they were to us, and specially to him, who has not fault on anything.

      Thanks a lot for your kind comment, and to open my eyes even if i feel my heart bleeding. Barakallah feek J.

  10. j

    i have to mention it again. this families greed is typical. i know many saudi families and this is typical character of females. they are the worst of the greed. reminds me of the worst of the american old greedy man. i am sure the mother is behind this whole controlling game. hence, the use of huda’s computer..female the sister..hello.
    mandre, you saw the real sulaiman in the usa. he is bottled up now in his female straps, until he gets a life and breaks free. stay sweet.

  11. j

    sorry, but i just have to comment on this again. im am sick from the treatment mandre is enduring. such shame from this family.
    sulaiman you are reading this im sure. you know darn well you loved mandre and went back home to let everyone know you want to bring her home with the baby. what you got was your mother spitting on you trying to rid the devil out of you..so to speak, as the arabs think. sulaiman you had and do not have a devil in you, and the only evil is the females controlling your life. be an honest man, and take the mother and sisters and ask them honestly. why. and money has nothing to do with it. let them give you an honest answer. then step out of the box and look at these women and see them as nobodies telling you how to live your life. you will see it different im sure. if im wrong, which i am not, sulaiman is the one who only cares of money, or he will leave. but since he is threatened to be cut out financially he cant handle it. a selfish shame
    on your families part mr. sulaiman. you are muslim, you are a visitor on earth so do the right thing. a man with islam in his heart knows better. this is a white heart.

  12. Sarah

    يالله شيء يغبن 😦
    ياعمري الله يسهل عليك وينصرك على الظالمين

  13. Saudi Muslim

    What he has done to you is unacceptable, he should correct his mistakes at least.
    I ask god to help all of you.
    I am totally with your rights, but I am afraid posting the mans last name and his pictures will increase the complexity of the problem, it would be better that you contact the officals.

    إلا من تاب وآمن وعمل عملا صالحا فأولئك يبدل الله سيئاتهم حسنات وكان الله غفورا
    رحيما
    ومن تاب وعمل عملا صالحا فإنه يتوب إاى الله متابا

    • Mandre

      Thanks for your words! I already went to all the officials but nobody seems to care about Sami’s situation… all of them are trying to find excuses to do nothing for Sami’s life… However, am still praying every single day for Sulaiman and his family, and hoping to solve Sami’s situation soon.

  14. KK

    J is absolutely right.. I know this family and they are greed. They are heartless people.. OMG Sulaiman loved this women and he did all of that to her and his son.. what is he going to do to a Saudi girl when he get married especially he will NOT pick, his mammy will pick for her little boy..

    attention girls.. you should have a black list ” DO NOT MARRY THESE GUYS”

    I am wondering how do Sulaiman and his family sleep at night?? oh yes.. they can because they are HEARTLESS people.. what a shame !!!

  15. Ray

    Salam u alaykum gamee3an.

    Mandre totally understand where you are coming from, however to win you have to understand one thing Al Rahji are all about money and if you threaten their pocket they will listen and will follow.

    So here is how goes, your son will one day have legal claim to a share of al Rahji estate which is in the billions. He has a claim and his blood is the proof; it’s them who have to prove otherwise.

    Go after the money which will lead to a settlement of some sort which is in itself the proof in the pudding.

    It’s a shame to say by this your son will not likely have a father but on the other hand, I guess he never did.

    Ray

    • KK

      Ray,
      which money are you talking about?? the family that Mandre has their son is NOT the rich family.. they just have the same name.. and Sulaiman has 17 brothers and sisters because his dad has 3 wives..

  16. Al Tamimi

    okay I skimmed through the story and read some of the replies. All I can say (assuming all is true) is while I understand your pain and why you post all of this info, but it can backlash and the guy would feel that the story will haunt him forever making any kind of a “quiet” solution impossible.. which just further adds fuel to the fire and makes things worse. I know I know you’ll say “Hey I don’t have a choice”.. but im just saying just so you know how things work in KSA. Social issues are more complex than you think and sometimes we do “good” things that endup being counterproductive. So always consider solving things far from the public if possible and make an appeal to public the last resort, not the first one.

    The second thing is the BS in the replies about the family. If they were greedy Sulaiman the bank owner wouldnt have given away all his wealth while still alive. People just sometimes badmouth those who are successful in business.

    They are known to be good respectable people overall. (im not related to them in any way so its an unbiased opinion). Granted theres probably bad people in every family but overall, because of what I know about their elders, I think focusing on getting the support of the elders of the family (lobbying) would probably be more productive (not saying it’ll solve things, but knowing how society works, don’t ever underestimate its potential).

    Do learn about how society works from people who are wise, calm, and unbiased. Just so you understand things better.

    Whiny KSA feminists will do just that, whine and let out burst of emotions and negative energy and would just criticize without being constructive to actually deliver results. They just like these stories to let out some of their bitterness and negative energy. If they truly cared, they’d instantly try to help. So learn who to resort to have a better holistic understanding.

    Id suggest to contact any of the elders that are influential and known for being wise/just. That’ll have an effect stronger than you might think. Im sure at least one of them will be cooperative if your case is all true and really just.

    Do delete what you said in the main post about Skype (as you did at home) and the accusation he made in one of the replies. I cant believe how naïve you are to post such stuff and not realize how much it can hurt the cause with no benefit whatsoever .It wont just hurt your cause it could potentially hurt your son in the future. It could even potentially hurt your case if it ever reaches a Saudi court. I recommend you delete that stuff (and anything similar) immediately.

    Again this is assuming all is true. I don’t know how you cant find contact information in a society like KSA where everyone knows each other, yet you have all the full names of sisters and wives? Not questioning you.. just thinking out loud.

    You’re relying on an embassy lawyer and saying he doesn’t reply to your emails? Are you nuts? Go hire a real lawyer. Preferably one based in Saudi who can work his social connections and understands how the topic can be extremely sensitive in the society and act wisely accordingly. Possibly without having to go to court. Maybe even a lawyer from the same family.

    Quite frankly it shouldn’t be that hard to contact them. Im sure you work hard, but it would be good to work smart too.

    Best of wishes. (I probably wont visit this site again so no need for a reply).

    • @Al Tamimi
      I know what you said about not needing to reply because you wont be back to visit the page…..but since this is my site I am going to reply any way.
      Have a child with a saudi man while he is on a student visa first then come back and share your feelings on what Mandre should do.
      Telling her to take things off the site seems like you want the truth hidden. Comments like” if this is true” is a back handed attempt to discredit her. Instead of skimming through her story them blindly commenting try reading her post so you may be better informed on the subject. You told her to get a real lawyer while calling her nuts. Are YOU serious? Tell you what if you can find a lawyer willing to fight an international child support case against the deep pockets of the saudi man we will give them a call. O wait Mandre is raising Sami by herself so she has loads of money left over after caring for her son that she can waist on a lawyer who will end up just taking the money from suliman to keep i quiet …..but hey you seem to have all the answers to help this woman whose story you only skimmed through.

      • Mandre

        Thanks for you kind words Jen, you know and be 100% sure that i will always be there for Joey and you, and hopefully when Sami get able to go back to US we will go to visit you guys… I got tired to explain people Sami’s situation, to read absurds replies on a case they don’t really know what’s going on, and more to be paying the fee for Sami being illegal in my own country just because Sulaiman doesn’t want to give me Sami’s full custody. People are always going to talk and blame us for what had happened but at the end these “men” also share the blame because they did all with free will nobody push them to act this way and did all the thing they had already done. But what we need to do is keep praying for them because they will get back all the pain and evil actions they did to our kids once. Love you Jen, kiss Joey for me

  17. Ficl

    I hope amiecan gilrs know this very well
    To not fall in this kind of mistake .
    What should I say … I feel shame

  18. Masa

    First of all I would like to say that I really feel sorry for what happened and i know how much is the pain I am a wife and mother my self so I can feel you .. And I wish you luck in your case .. But through all what I read not just your story many stories in this blog I found the only one scenario.. As there is bad men in USA there is also in Saudi and our men come to you already prepared lesson learned from your media that we watch daily .. DR.FILL with a 14 year girl who have sex with more than one .. DR.JAY with women stories about infidelity another program about DNA test and who is the father .. Not just that movies filled with sex drinking drugs like animal signed in the beginning true story .. Actors bragging with kids they have from there friends without any legal marriage .. So what we know its that a kind of life style .. Our men think they are too easy .. If that what your media represent of you like a society how you think you will gain respect if this only what they show hiding the true world the true girls ..but I only have one advice for all girls you love him don’t jump in his bed don’t be easy what comes easy go easy if you are sure that he is the one you want for life time take it legally if he loves you he will take you to the embassy to the nearest council after you have that paper and you hold tightly in your hand open your legs as wide as you can have dozens not just one .. But don low your self and get in his bed like a bitch even if you love him.. They are our men we know them better than anyone .. Try to raise your standards don’t fall in such words fall for the acts ..and to be honest it’s forbidden in our country the marriage out side Saudi accept some cases and its all done not in ours in Bahrain it’s long process and months of paper work its not easy as you think . I hope your story come to end a good one for your kid and if his father abandoned him god will not and if his father didn’t suffer from what he did to you and your kid there is hill prepared for such guys .. Wish you luck all the way and I hope the rest of girls learned from your story .. Respect is a bless believe me I know that you will say that we respect ourselves and I know that for sure but sleeping in bed with a foreign that you just known cause you love him is not respect at all ..

  19. Aseel

    Hey there ! I think I can help somehow,just send me information about you’re son is father.

  20. the son of this deera

    guys u talk alot .. just try to find her a solution already

  21. أبو صالح القضاعي

    يا سليمان إلحق ولدك تراك لك فتره محدوده في الدنيا لا تقابل ربك وهذا حالك لعل الله يغفر لك أن اهتممت بطفلك وقد يكون سبب دخولك الجنه وبيبدل الله سيئاتهم حسنات

  22. Mohammad

    سليمان اعلم أن الله يراك وهو عالم بأمرك …حصل ما حصل من الاختلاف اطوي الصفحة وارجع إلى ابنك. لا أعلم كيف قلبك يحتمل يحتمل ثانية وحدة بعد اللي حصل وكيف ضميرك ميت بالشكل هذا .
    الحياة فانية ولا تستحق كل هذا الكدر أستغفر وأطلب من ربك الرحمة والمغفرة
    وتذكر قول الله ( قل يا عبادي الذين أسرفوا على أنفسهم لا تقنطوا من رحمة الله

    التوبة تمسح ما فات والله رؤوف رحيم .. والله يفرح بتوبة العبد كما قال الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم

    عد إلى أبنك.. أصلح ما بينك وبين الأم
    كونوا أسرتكم باللين … وتنازلوا إلى بعضكم

    وفقكم الله وهداكم لما يحب

  23. حسبي الله على كل من كان السبب
    من البدايه غلط فغلط
    والمشكلة مو فيك لانه شي ععادي عندكم
    لكن الغلط راكب الاخ السعودي المسلم
    اللي لا يدين بالاسلام باي معنى
    هو وفعلته هذي …
    الدولة عطته فرصه الابتعاث عشان يرجع
    ينشر ععلمه ويفيد مجتمعه مو عشان يروح يمتصيع هناك
    وعقابه في الدنيا ان شاء الله قبل الاخرة
    لو انه بنت كان عرف ان الله حق
    واغلبيه المبتعثين ماهم حقين ابتعاث الله يهديهم
    لو انهم بنات والله ليرفعون الراس
    بس ايش اللي نقول طاح الفأس بالرأس …

  24. Mohammed

    I have just read your story on Arab News, I pray for you and for the little Sami. May Allah help you 😦

  25. Selam

    حسبي الله ونعم الوكيل
    حسبي الله ونعم الوكيل
    حسبي الله ونعم الوكيل
    ياناس خافواالله فينا
    شوهتوا دينابفعالكم المقيته والمخزيه
    اتقوا الله يابشر..

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